I agree with most your points on the armadillo but, I'd argue that penguins don't do much of the main boating niches better, if you want pure speed from point a to point b than setting up a blue ice road in the nether already allows boats to go quite fast and while (depending on the way penguin boost is implemented) the extra speed afforded by hypothetical penguin boost pads would likely offset the extra infrastructure and time required to build them in the first place the tedium in creating them could cause players to forgo setting them up at all or in the other scenario where penguins have to be a passenger in the boat to apply the effect then blue ice paths without them would retain the entity transportation ability making the use of penguins highly situational.
Next, on the subject of fluid exploration in oceans, while boating (penguin or no) is more tedious and less fluid than flying with an elytra, using a situational dolphin, or just swimming through with depth strider and a riptide trident for bursts of speed its advantages once again come in the form of the ability to transport another entity as well as the fact that using a boat prevents the increased hunger loss of swimming and also provides a layer of protection from attacking drowneds so I think giving boats an edge in this way might not be what is needed to make them more competitive as a travel method.
If we really want to organically improve boat travel without forcing the player to decide which of it's boons to jettison then dolphin's grace should just affect boats as well, seeing as in real life dolphins are known to swim alongside boats allowing dolphin's grace to affect boats allows them to go toe to toe with swimming while keeping their advantages of entity transportation, hunger preservation and defense while allowing swimming to be the nimble slightly faster but more resource intensive method and while this solution wouldn't change nether blue ice roads like penguins might due to the nether being inhospitable to dolphins I'd go as far to say that they already are quite impressive and if that is the biggest likely change the penguin will make to transport with this feature set I'd rather see crabs get added for their improvement however minimal it is to the simple yet ever present function of building.
niether are a game changeing as the extra reach. But you know that Mojang will mess up the amazing opportunity they have to implement this!
I agree with the armor argument! why can I not just make wolves armor out of the what we already have. they could add this as an extra and there is absolutely NO need to be voting on this.
The travel thing is ONLY useful for when you are a fresh player in a new world. I have been on the same world for 5 years, and I have not used a boat and will not be using a boat in the coming years. they are only handy when you are fresh. I just flicked over a couple of streamers and they happen to be flying down their nether ice way with an elytra.. you have the problem of having boats left at a destination. I removed all ice ways because places ended up with 7+ double chests of boats that I then ended up burning. after doing this a few times I simply removed them. My world is a server… there are 10 people on there. NO one used the boat ice ways after getting wiings. 1 person does and they are 70yo…
If they wanted more discovery they would have added more than one geode, not just amethyst! they say they want you to discover more but apart from finding a deep dark.. there is not much ot side of an afternoon that cant be found. the odd biome on your seed may have eluded some players. I was on one seed that the only mesa was 15k blocks out. with no wings that was a mission.
The Crab has a LOT of questions but also causes an inventory issue that will have to be addressed. another item/tool that will become standard use will put more pressure on an inventory update. we have no more info than what was said and shown in the vid. I think if we are going to vote for a move we need to vote for the things that open doors of change over simply adding more of the same. faster boats are really not a needed use case. and the use case for a mob is what keeps it relevant after the "wow" factor wears off 4 days in. remember the sniffer? camels? everyone was so hyped for the cammel.. I watched youtube talking endlessly about them.. you have to DIG hard to find a camel in any video.Streamers were all over them.. is anyone using them? NOPE. they started a new world.. the usual race to the end happened.. and within 4 days they all had wings and were flying everywhere. because none of them spawned in a desert with camels they were moved past!
so no the penguin is not first choice. is could be thrown in as here you go mob. not worth voting for. the armadillo.. same thing.. the wolves are only really used early game. and I only know of one streamer who used CCI and his community donate to provide him with wolves and that how he started his hard core RLCraft worlds.. the moment he has made some armor. hes done with the dogs. the Wold AI is so bad. you will farm up armo for them and they will die in lava or fall damage like they usually do. Mojang will absolutely messup the Claw! they will miss the mark so badly that it will be scafolding 2.0… opportunity beyond belief, and when it comes to it a total failure. I am willing to take the chance because changing a core mechanic that EVERY player uses.. over a thing that only very few will have any use from.
the ocean already has dolphins why would it need penguins. armadillos are good because its adding something to a unique biome and you have to explore to that biome instead of just going to a beach and getting turtle scutes you go to a looked over biome and get the the wolf armor. and the stony shores is a rare biome that you pass once and you only use a boat when you don't have an elytra, penguins are pointless.
I hadn't really thought of it from the game design perspective, and you are right. The armadillo does add unnecessary complexity to the game by adding a second scute. But I cannot vote for the penguin because it is just dolphin 2. JUST GET OUT OF YOUR BOAT AND USE A DOLPHIN! Boats have their utility, its on ice, and I think that's fine. Also, ice boats are already the fastest method of transportation, so I don't think we need dolphins to speed them up. I'm still voting for the armadillo, despite the extra complexity they will add to the game. Savannahs are just so common and so boring, so lil armadillos will be great
Horse armour's pretty inconsistent too, since it's made using the same materials as normal armour but can't be crafted by players because, reasons? I'm mostly going with armadillos because they're cute and I just want more things to see in the savannah biomes, and wolf armour is cool
I’m voting armadillo just cause I have genuinely wanted armadillo for awhile, not even for the dog armour but also, you say how people think dolphins boost boats when they say it’s dolphin 2.0, no, nonono they do not think dolphins boost boats, it isn’t hard to understand what they mean, I’m not against penguin or crab I think they are all good, and yes I get the inconsistency but with the dog armour (this is just a guess idk) I assume it’s made of armadillo scutes and not turtle scutes cause turtle scutes are (probably still idk) heavier while armadillo scutes are probably lighter. Edit: also a big flaw with dog armour that a lot of people have said is that the dogs are kinda dumb and would probably need an ai update which I kinda get
When I consider what mob I want added, I look for the mob that will add the most in the long run. The crab adds something that, unless it's replaced down the line, will undoubtly be used consistently and is very likely to become a stable of the survival mode meta. The armadillo adds something that, while is likely to be used consistently due to its uniqueness, doesn't really add a whole lot in the long run because of how iffy dogs are in combat. Penguins add a feature that will most likely only be used in two specific senarios: early game ocean exploration and end game highway construction. Both of these uses are definately good, don't get me wrong, but its usefulness in the early game is limited to actually being able to find a stony shore biome and endgame highway construction hardly matters because the elytra and nether airways exist. This next bit is going to teeter on the side of speculation more than anything, but if we think about this realistically, the penguin is most likely going to function similarly to the dolphine in that your boat would need to move along side the penguin in the water. This brings up two issues: 1. You can't place water in the nether, limiting the usefulness of these penguin highways to cross large distances. 2. If the purpose of the penguin is to construct the fastest highway possible, we run into the issue of out-speeding the penguin, causing it to get lost in unloaded chunks as we zoom away from it.
I disagree with the reasoning here. Just as dog armor could be done with existing ways (let you craft and dye leather armor or use turtle scutes), so could a boat speed boost be, just by changing dolphin's grace to apply to boats (or more accurately to the player, but have it also work when you're in a boat. It's not necessary for "in" water vs. "on" water to matter for this. Also penguins are only in a rather rare Stony shore biome while dolphins are in many biomes so it would be more useful for the player if it came from dolphins).
I think they are adding a boat boost because there are now chest boats. With dolphin's grace you would just break your boat and swim, but you can't do that with chest boats, so they came up with this idea. But it's needlessly complex to add a new mob for this purpose, just as it's needlessly complex to add a new mob for dog armor.
That leaves the crab which is the only one that actually adds something that can't be done by tweaking already existing mechanics. Not that I personally plan to vote for the crab, but just saying by your reasoning in this video, the crab would win.
BTW the gameplay is just some grinding I did in the survival world where I test my Datapack. This is vanilla Minecraft gameplay footage right here 🙂
Plzzz vote for penguin plźzzzzz😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I still will vote for the armadillo's.
I have wanted dog armor for years and it probaly wont get added if we dont vote for it.
Cant you just put a penguin into your boat and it will give you the effect?
I agree with most your points on the armadillo but, I'd argue that penguins don't do much of the main boating niches better, if you want pure speed from point a to point b than setting up a blue ice road in the nether already allows boats to go quite fast and while (depending on the way penguin boost is implemented) the extra speed afforded by hypothetical penguin boost pads would likely offset the extra infrastructure and time required to build them in the first place the tedium in creating them could cause players to forgo setting them up at all or in the other scenario where penguins have to be a passenger in the boat to apply the effect then blue ice paths without them would retain the entity transportation ability making the use of penguins highly situational.
Next, on the subject of fluid exploration in oceans, while boating (penguin or no) is more tedious and less fluid than flying with an elytra, using a situational dolphin, or just swimming through with depth strider and a riptide trident for bursts of speed its advantages once again come in the form of the ability to transport another entity as well as the fact that using a boat prevents the increased hunger loss of swimming and also provides a layer of protection from attacking drowneds so I think giving boats an edge in this way might not be what is needed to make them more competitive as a travel method.
If we really want to organically improve boat travel without forcing the player to decide which of it's boons to jettison then dolphin's grace should just affect boats as well, seeing as in real life dolphins are known to swim alongside boats allowing dolphin's grace to affect boats allows them to go toe to toe with swimming while keeping their advantages of entity transportation, hunger preservation and defense while allowing swimming to be the nimble slightly faster but more resource intensive method and while this solution wouldn't change nether blue ice roads like penguins might due to the nether being inhospitable to dolphins I'd go as far to say that they already are quite impressive and if that is the biggest likely change the penguin will make to transport with this feature set I'd rather see crabs get added for their improvement however minimal it is to the simple yet ever present function of building.
I just like crabs. Straight up that's why I vote for them.
niether are a game changeing as the extra reach.
But you know that Mojang will mess up the amazing opportunity they have to implement this!
I agree with the armor argument!
why can I not just make wolves armor out of the what we already have.
they could add this as an extra and there is absolutely NO need to be voting on this.
The travel thing is ONLY useful for when you are a fresh player in a new world.
I have been on the same world for 5 years, and I have not used a boat and will not be using a boat in the coming years.
they are only handy when you are fresh. I just flicked over a couple of streamers and they happen to be flying down their nether ice way with an elytra..
you have the problem of having boats left at a destination.
I removed all ice ways because places ended up with 7+ double chests of boats that I then ended up burning. after doing this a few times I simply removed them.
My world is a server… there are 10 people on there. NO one used the boat ice ways after getting wiings. 1 person does and they are 70yo…
If they wanted more discovery they would have added more than one geode, not just amethyst! they say they want you to discover more but apart from finding a deep dark.. there is not much ot side of an afternoon that cant be found. the odd biome on your seed may have eluded some players. I was on one seed that the only mesa was 15k blocks out.
with no wings that was a mission.
The Crab has a LOT of questions but also causes an inventory issue that will have to be addressed.
another item/tool that will become standard use will put more pressure on an inventory update.
we have no more info than what was said and shown in the vid.
I think if we are going to vote for a move we need to vote for the things that open doors of change over simply adding more of the same.
faster boats are really not a needed use case. and the use case for a mob is what keeps it relevant after the "wow" factor wears off 4 days in.
remember the sniffer?
camels?
everyone was so hyped for the cammel.. I watched youtube talking endlessly about them..
you have to DIG hard to find a camel in any video.Streamers were all over them.. is anyone using them?
NOPE. they started a new world.. the usual race to the end happened.. and within 4 days they all had wings and were flying everywhere.
because none of them spawned in a desert with camels they were moved past!
so no the penguin is not first choice. is could be thrown in as here you go mob. not worth voting for.
the armadillo.. same thing.. the wolves are only really used early game. and I only know of one streamer who used CCI and his community donate to provide him with wolves and that how he started his hard core RLCraft worlds.. the moment he has made some armor. hes done with the dogs.
the Wold AI is so bad. you will farm up armo for them and they will die in lava or fall damage like they usually do.
Mojang will absolutely messup the Claw! they will miss the mark so badly that it will be scafolding 2.0… opportunity beyond belief, and when it comes to it a total failure.
I am willing to take the chance because changing a core mechanic that EVERY player uses.. over a thing that only very few will have any use from.
yeah minecraft needs the toxicity of TCNick3!
team penguin ftw💪💪🤑
I completely agree
i just want crab or penguin to win because theyd look the nicest in a enclosure
the ocean already has dolphins why would it need penguins. armadillos are good because its adding something to a unique biome and you have to explore to that biome instead of just going to a beach and getting turtle scutes you go to a looked over biome and get the the wolf armor. and the stony shores is a rare biome that you pass once and you only use a boat when you don't have an elytra, penguins are pointless.
Armadillo on top
I hadn't really thought of it from the game design perspective, and you are right. The armadillo does add unnecessary complexity to the game by adding a second scute. But I cannot vote for the penguin because it is just dolphin 2. JUST GET OUT OF YOUR BOAT AND USE A DOLPHIN! Boats have their utility, its on ice, and I think that's fine. Also, ice boats are already the fastest method of transportation, so I don't think we need dolphins to speed them up. I'm still voting for the armadillo, despite the extra complexity they will add to the game. Savannahs are just so common and so boring, so lil armadillos will be great
1. Make dolphins make boats faster.
2. Make turtle scutes make dog armor.
3. Add crabs because it's new.
At this point I don't care about the small amount of utility each mob adds, I just want either mob that's not the armadillo to win.
Horse armour's pretty inconsistent too, since it's made using the same materials as normal armour but can't be crafted by players because, reasons? I'm mostly going with armadillos because they're cute and I just want more things to see in the savannah biomes, and wolf armour is cool
I’m voting armadillo just cause I have genuinely wanted armadillo for awhile, not even for the dog armour but also, you say how people think dolphins boost boats when they say it’s dolphin 2.0, no, nonono they do not think dolphins boost boats, it isn’t hard to understand what they mean, I’m not against penguin or crab I think they are all good, and yes I get the inconsistency but with the dog armour (this is just a guess idk) I assume it’s made of armadillo scutes and not turtle scutes cause turtle scutes are (probably still idk) heavier while armadillo scutes are probably lighter.
Edit: also a big flaw with dog armour that a lot of people have said is that the dogs are kinda dumb and would probably need an ai update which I kinda get
ok i will vote for the penguin
When I consider what mob I want added, I look for the mob that will add the most in the long run. The crab adds something that, unless it's replaced down the line, will undoubtly be used consistently and is very likely to become a stable of the survival mode meta. The armadillo adds something that, while is likely to be used consistently due to its uniqueness, doesn't really add a whole lot in the long run because of how iffy dogs are in combat. Penguins add a feature that will most likely only be used in two specific senarios: early game ocean exploration and end game highway construction. Both of these uses are definately good, don't get me wrong, but its usefulness in the early game is limited to actually being able to find a stony shore biome and endgame highway construction hardly matters because the elytra and nether airways exist. This next bit is going to teeter on the side of speculation more than anything, but if we think about this realistically, the penguin is most likely going to function similarly to the dolphine in that your boat would need to move along side the penguin in the water. This brings up two issues: 1. You can't place water in the nether, limiting the usefulness of these penguin highways to cross large distances. 2. If the purpose of the penguin is to construct the fastest highway possible, we run into the issue of out-speeding the penguin, causing it to get lost in unloaded chunks as we zoom away from it.
Pls stop trolling
No it doesnt
I disagree with the reasoning here. Just as dog armor could be done with existing ways (let you craft and dye leather armor or use turtle scutes), so could a boat speed boost be, just by changing dolphin's grace to apply to boats (or more accurately to the player, but have it also work when you're in a boat. It's not necessary for "in" water vs. "on" water to matter for this. Also penguins are only in a rather rare Stony shore biome while dolphins are in many biomes so it would be more useful for the player if it came from dolphins).
I think they are adding a boat boost because there are now chest boats. With dolphin's grace you would just break your boat and swim, but you can't do that with chest boats, so they came up with this idea. But it's needlessly complex to add a new mob for this purpose, just as it's needlessly complex to add a new mob for dog armor.
That leaves the crab which is the only one that actually adds something that can't be done by tweaking already existing mechanics. Not that I personally plan to vote for the crab, but just saying by your reasoning in this video, the crab would win.
I wanna see a penguin motor boat on an blue eyes road in nether